The Glade 4.0

So apparently the NAACP is going to go after every "Stand Your Ground" law in every state. All because Zimmerman was acquitted in a case that had nothing to do with Stand Your Ground.

I'll guess that the defense GZ will use in any civil case that's brought against him will be justifiable use of force (stand your ground) now that he's been found innocent of non-justifiable use of force.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 6.013.html

If a judge agrees the force was justified in a pre-trial immunity hearing (and I don't know how they could argue otherwise seeing's how the jury decided) the civil trial can't proceed, from what I've read.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 6.032.html
And
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 6.012.html

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In time, this too shall pass.

No. Once juries start deliberating, they generally don't break for weekends.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I understand that. I guess I just thought they wouldn't release a verdict until the next "business" day.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Some violence in Oakland CA, but not too serious. Florida is calm, though.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Maybe they're waiting for the next business day.

By bad ****, I was not referring to violence. We're about to see a world of juridical disasters that erode our rights.

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Honestly surprised at the verdict.

Pleased, but surprised.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

That's what democratic lobby groups do, use emotional circumstances to try to push laws.

Hopefully they won't succeed, but we'll see.

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Here's a gem:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/justice/z ... ?hpt=hp_t1

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That's not a civil rights case, you morons. That's a murder case, which just resolved.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

If the NAACP convinces Trayvon Martin's family to pursue Civil Rights action, on a Federal level, against George Zimmerman, you will George Zimmerman legally subjected to double jeopardy.

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I just remember that with OJ we had heard that a verdict had been reached early evening, but there wasn't a reading until court was in session the next day. There was plenty of time for everyone to make arrangements to be in front of their TV sets for the reading. By contrast, this verdict seems snuck in. Saturday night, while most people otherwise occupied.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Indeed.



Also, indeed.

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Jeez...it may just be starting for the poor guy...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/justi ... ng-the-zim

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They said that in the Wilson shooting up here as well, but nothing ever became of it. So Let's wait and see. Then again, those were different times and a different AG

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

How is it any different from the cops who got convicted on civil rights charges after they were acquitted for the Rodney King beating?

Because it was "Under the color of law", that's why they had a Federal civil rights case.

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If I were Zim, it'd be time to move to Switzerland or something.

I was surprised by the verdict, so I'm not going to speculate as to what the Feds are gonna do. Charges weren't filed in the first place until the Obama administration got involved, though, so we'll see.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

That's totally irrelevant, at least to the question of whether it's double jeopardy or not. That's a constitutional protection and it doesn't apply differently to people who work for the government and those who don't.

Under color of authority is not a constitutional protection; it s for civil rights violations commited by officials. However, civil rights violations are not the same offense as murder or manslaughter, so double jeopardy does not apply. However, the civil rights investigation was done over a year ago, so there might be a case for malicious prosecution, based on the fact that their filing would be obvious retaliation for the not guilty verdict.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It is double jeopardy, as any Civil Rights violation would require Zimmerman be guilty of murder, and thus any Civil Rights trial will require he be re-tried for murder.

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That doesn't really make sense. I could just as easily say that the civil rights conviction of the police officers in the Rodney King case was double jeopardy, because it required them to be guilty of the battery they were acquitted of.

It was Double Jeopardy, and it's a very real risk of how our Courts are currently bifurcated. It's also why Wrongful Death suits should be illegal.

Currently jurisprudence allows us to litigate the same circumstances 4 or 5 ways, and to keep doing so until we get the outcome we want.

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Wait... I thought being a racist was a crime in and of itself?!

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I don't know of any statute regarding civil rights that requires a conviction for another crime before a proceeding under the civil rights statute can be undertaken.

Assuming that's true, however, it still does not make the civil rights proceeding double jeopardy; it just makes it impossible. The second murder trial (which would have to be a state trial) would be the double jeopardy.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."