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A frightening decision. I am not responsible for someone else's actions. Is the pretty girl on the corner responsible for accidents? The owner of attention-grabbing billboards? This is absurd. Indeed, I frequently text someone instead of calling BECAUSE I know they are driving. That way, I don't distract them and the info is waiting for them when they arrive. Grocery lists, for example, when my wife's on her way home.




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(CNN) -- We've all heard the dictum: Don't text and drive. Now a New Jersey state appeals court has an addendum: Don't knowingly text a driver -- or you could be held liable if he causes a crash.

Kyle Best was behind the wheel of his pickup in September 2009 driving down a rural highway when Shannon Colonna sent him a text.

The two were teens at the time. He was 18; she was 17, and they were dating. They sent each other 62 texts that day, according to court documents.

In the opposing lane of traffic, David Kubert was cruising along on a big, blue touring motorcycle with his wife, Linda, along for the ride. They approached Best at exactly the wrong time.

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A court summary of the times of texts and calls to and from Best's cell phone reflect what happened next:

The teens were having a text chat, volleying each other messages every few moments.

Seventeen seconds after Best sent a text, he was calling a 911 operator.

His truck had drifted across the double center line and hit the Kuberts head-on.

The scene Best described to the emergency operator was most certainly gruesome.

"The collision severed, or nearly severed David's left leg. It shattered Linda's left leg, leaving her fractured thighbone protruding out of the skin as she lay injured in the road," the court document said.

Best hung up. Colonna texted him two more times.

The court did not publish the contents of their messages.

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The lawsuit

The Kuberts both lost their legs. They sued.

But they didn't just go after Best. They included Colonna in the lawsuit.

In their minds, she was distracting him and was also responsible for their pain and loss.

They settled with Best and lost against Colonna, but they appealed that decision.

The plaintiffs' attorney, Stephen Weinstein, argued that the text sender was electronically in the car with the driver receiving the text and should be treated like someone sitting next to him willfully causing a distraction, legal analyst Marc Saperstein told CNN affiliate WPIX-TV.

The argument seemed to work.

The ruling

On Tuesday, three appeals court judges agreed with it -- in principle.

They ruled that if the sender of text messages knows that the recipient is driving and texting at the same time, a court may hold the sender responsible for distraction and hold him or her liable for the accident.

"We hold that the sender of a text message can potentially be liable if an accident is caused by texting, but only if the sender knew or had special reason to know that the recipient would view the text while driving and thus be distracted," the court said.

But the judges let Colonna off the hook.

She had a habit of sending more than 100 texts a day and was oblivious to whether recipients were driving or not.

"I'm a young teenager. That's what we do," she said in her deposition before the original trial.

Since she was unaware that Best was texting while driving, she bore no responsibility, the court decided.

"In this appeal, we must also decide whether plaintiffs have shown sufficient evidence to defeat summary judgment in favor of the remote texter. We conclude they have not," it said.

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The reaction

During the trial, Colonna, now 21, found it "weird" that the plaintiffs tried to nail down whether she knew Best was texting behind the wheel, the court document said.

The judges' decision has elicited a similar response from the state's governor, Chris Christie.

The driver is ultimately responsible, he said. Not someone sending him a text.

"You have the obligation to keep your eyes on the road, your hands on the wheel and pay attention to what you're doing," he told radio station New Jersey 101.5.

Other New Jerseyites agreed.

"That's completely absurd, just because you know you're driving doesn't mean, it really doesn't mean they know you're looking at it," Joe Applegate told WPIX.

"Even talking to the driver can distract them, so they are going to arrest for someone who simply talked to someone who is driving?" Louise McKellip asked.

The future

New Jersey has been cracking down hard on texting and driving in recent years, implementing new laws and regulations that treat it in a similar manner as drunken driving if it involves an injury accident.

The state passed a law last year based on the fate of the Kuberts and others who had been killed or maimed by texting motorists.

The "Kulesh, Kubert and Bolish's Law" makes distracted driving a crime if the driver causes an accident. Fines for bodily injury run as high as $150,000, and the driver can go to jail for up to 10 years.

And new legislation proposed by state Sen. James Holzapfel would let police thumb through cellphones if they have "reasonable grounds" to believe the driver was talking or texting when the wreck occurred.

The bill has set off alarm bells with the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.


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The judges dcided the sender didn't meet whatever "criteria" the judges wanted to set, so I'm wondering just what that "criteria" is.

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What an idiotic notion. There are so many things wrong with this I'm not even really sure where to start.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
A frightening decision. I am not responsible for someone else's actions. Is the pretty girl on the corner responsible for accidents? The owner of attention-grabbing billboards? This is absurd. Indeed, I frequently text someone instead of calling BECAUSE I know they are driving. That way, I don't distract them and the info is waiting for them when they arrive. Grocery lists, for example, when my wife's on her way home.

I don't see why the decision is frightening. As far as I can tell, she was not found liable in the initial proceedings and was not found liable in the appeals proceedings.

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Since she was unaware that Best was texting while driving, she bore no responsibility, the court decided.
"In this appeal, we must also decide whether plaintiffs have shown sufficient evidence to defeat summary judgment in favor of the remote texter. We conclude they have not,"




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The judges dcided the sender didn't meet whatever "criteria" the judges wanted to set, so I'm wondering just what that "criteria" is.

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if the sender of text messages knows that the recipient is driving and texting at the same time, a court may hold the sender responsible for distraction and hold him or her liable for the accident.

I guess they weren't able to prove she knew he was driving.

I don't really have a problem with it being found that if you were engaged in a back and forth text chat with someone you knew was driving that you potentially hold partial liability when they **** someone up by crashing into them.

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A frightening decision. I am not responsible for someone else's actions. Is the pretty girl on the corner responsible for accidents? The owner of attention-grabbing billboards? This is absurd. Indeed, I frequently text someone instead of calling BECAUSE I know they are driving. That way, I don't distract them and the info is waiting for them when they arrive. Grocery lists, for example, when my wife's on her way home.

I don't see why the decision is frightening. As far as I can tell, she was not found liable in the initial proceedings and was not found liable in the appeals proceedings.


As I said in my OP, I frequently text people because I know they are in the car. It is less distracting than a phone call, and gets the information to them and waiting. What about email? What about other distracting behaviors as I mentioned?

If you're ok with someone being liable for distracting a driver, why not billboards? Advertisements on the side of the road? That crazy pink and green house with the giant chicken on it next to the road?


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You also said that you know that they won't read it until they are done driving. This decision protects you.
If you're having an email conversation with someone who you know is doing it while driving, then yup, I don't have a problem with you grabbing yourself some liability because of it.
As for the other ones, why not? Because they don't rise to the level of involvement that texting back and forth does, because those weren't involved in the scope of the trial...

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Meh, that's crazy IMO. The driver accepts responsibility - he/she is trained in the operation of the vehicle and the risk of distraction, they accept responsibility by pulling out onto public roadways. No such training and/or acceptance of risk/responsibility is involved in sending a text.

What if you're texting back and forth with someone who doesn't have a driver's license? Should they be liable if they haven't been trained on the subject?

That's the whole point of a LICENSE. You are trained, found competent, and you apply for and accept a license that comes with agreement of responsibility.


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I think it's crazy that people would knowingly engage in an activity that affects someone's ability to drive effectively, YMMV. The sender is responsible for their actions too. Their actions were a significant contributing factor in the crash. Get someone drunk then knowingly let them drive, you're gonna share responsibility too.

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As I said in my OP, I frequently text people because I know they are in the car. It is less distracting than a phone call, and gets the information to them and waiting. What about email? What about other distracting behaviors as I mentioned?


Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy.

Phone calls are not more distracting. You can look at the road and talk, you can't to that and read or reply to a text. In a typical case of academic myopia, the studies indicating similar levels of distraction focus only on brain activity and ignore the reality of where the attention is actually directed.

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so what about the cars that have an awesome bluetooth connection and read the texts to you...

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No worries then, ds.

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the law seems too vague to really say no worries.

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What an idiotic notion. There are so many things wrong with this I'm not even really sure where to start.

This. Holy hell, the idea that the non-driver has any liability whatsoever is utterly insane.


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As I said in my OP, I frequently text people because I know they are in the car. It is less distracting than a phone call, and gets the information to them and waiting. What about email? What about other distracting behaviors as I mentioned?


Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy.


You don't see the problem with this view? This ruling is resulting from a slippery slope. It's not illegal to send texts if you aren't driving. It's illegal to send and read texts while you are driving, and this has slipped to now potentially allow liability for people not driving. It is a slippery slope. Further, you have to look at the justification for the decision and see how that same justification can be applied elsewhere - because that's what lawyers do. It basically boils down to "if you knowingly distract a driver you are liable". That can be applied broadly.


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As I said in my OP, I frequently text people because I know they are in the car. It is less distracting than a phone call, and gets the information to them and waiting. What about email? What about other distracting behaviors as I mentioned?


Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy.


You don't see the problem with this view? This ruling is resulting from a slippery slope. It's not illegal to send texts if you aren't driving. It's illegal to send and read texts while you are driving, and this has slipped to now potentially allow liability for people not driving. It is a slippery slope. Further, you have to look at the justification for the decision and see how that same justification can be applied elsewhere - because that's what lawyers do. It basically boils down to "if you knowingly distract a driver you are liable". That can be applied broadly.


No. This case was the result of a lawsuit, not a prosecution under law. The defendant was found not to be liable by the appeals judges on the simple basis of being "oblivious". That sets a very high and difficult bar to sue someone, and does not in any way establish that it's illegal to do so. The court only held that someone could be civilly liable for that action, but by finding that a person who was oblivious to whether the person was driving was not liable they set a fairly high bar to cross for a successful suit.

You even admit that. It has to be "knowingly" done. "Knowingly" is much harder to establish that "recklessly" or "negligently". Your silly pink and green house example would never work; it would be impossible to prove that the person painting the house specifically distracted a particular driver at a particular point in time, which would be needed to establish "knowing" action.

Try to at least stick to how the legal system actually works if you're going to complain about laws and rulings.

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No. This case was the result of a lawsuit, not a prosecution under law. The defendant was found not to be liable by the appeals judges on the simple basis of being "oblivious". That sets a very high and difficult bar to sue someone, and does not in any way establish that it's illegal to do so. The court only held that someone could be civilly liable for that action, but by finding that a person who was oblivious to whether the person was driving was not liable they set a fairly high bar to cross for a successful suit.


I did not say that it was illegal. However, liability for sending texts to a driver can only result from some basic negligence. Negligence requires knowledge that it's not ok to text and drive, which goes back to the law against it. Now, in this case, she passed the "requires knowledge" test, in that they could not demonstrate she knew he was driving. Even so, the decision, which establishes the possibility of liability, stems from the law outlawing texting while driving, and is basically a slippery slope decision.

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You even admit that. It has to be "knowingly" done. "Knowingly" is much harder to establish that "recklessly" or "negligently". Your silly pink and green house example would never work; it would be impossible to prove that the person painting the house specifically distracted a particular driver at a particular point in time, which would be needed to establish "knowing" action.


Fair enough on the "silly" example, but surely you get my point - there's a whole lot of things along the side of the road that are CLEARLY INTENDED to attract the attention of the driver.

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No. This case was the result of a lawsuit, not a prosecution under law. The defendant was found not to be liable by the appeals judges on the simple basis of being "oblivious". That sets a very high and difficult bar to sue someone, and does not in any way establish that it's illegal to do so. The court only held that someone could be civilly liable for that action, but by finding that a person who was oblivious to whether the person was driving was not liable they set a fairly high bar to cross for a successful suit.


I did not say that it was illegal. However, liability for sending texts to a driver can only result from some basic negligence. Negligence requires knowledge that it's not ok to text and drive, which goes back to the law against it. Now, in this case, she passed the "requires knowledge" test, in that they could not demonstrate she knew he was driving. Even so, the decision, which establishes the possibility of liability, stems from the law outlawing texting while driving, and is basically a slippery slope decision.


Yes, you did say it was illegal, even if you didn't intend to. You said the law prohibits "texting while driving", then went in your next phrase to say "and this has slipped to now potentially allow liability for people not driving." Liability can mean either criminal liability (guilt) or civil liability, and while civil liability is what is more commonly meant, the fact that you were talking about an illegal action in the previous phrase indicated that you were talking about criminal liability - i.e. that the action was illegal.

Furthermore, negligence requires that an action be a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances, not "knowledge that it's not ok", whatever that means. The decision is not a slippery slope; a person of ordinary care should know that if they text someone, there is a high probability that person will give their attention to the text. We're conditioned to respond to telephones when they alert us from a young age, and that includes texting in recent years.

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You even admit that. It has to be "knowingly" done. "Knowingly" is much harder to establish that "recklessly" or "negligently". Your silly pink and green house example would never work; it would be impossible to prove that the person painting the house specifically distracted a particular driver at a particular point in time, which would be needed to establish "knowing" action.


Fair enough on the "silly" example, but surely you get my point - there's a whole lot of things along the side of the road that are CLEARLY INTENDED to attract the attention of the driver.


They are intended to attract the attention of people in general, not drivers, specifically, and the case established that you knowingly have to text (i.e. distract) a driver - that means a specific driver who actually caused an accident, not that you did something intended to attract attention in general and it just so happened that a driver was the one who caught it and then wrecked. That's what "knowing" means, legally - knowing is a culpable mental state and has a specific legal meaning.

This is why slippery slope is a fallacy. If what you said actually were to happen, it would be practically impossible to move about on the roads since any accident could be blamed on practically anything that happened in sight of a road. Telling people not to text someone who is driving, on the other hand, is narrow, highly specific, and doesn't interfere with general use of the roadways and their environs. This is why it would never be extrapolated in that fashion; the people that make the law and apply the law don't want things to end up that way any more than you do.

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Don't tell people to read your posts or not nitpick. Make arguments that make sense. You're the one always ***** that if someone doesn't understand you, its on the speaker to clarify what they mean, so quit acting like a self-important douchebag. You're the one nitpicking your own vague posting to claim I "didn't read it."

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Yes, you did say it was illegal, even if you didn't intend to. You said the law prohibits "texting while driving", then went in your next phrase to say "and this has slipped to now potentially allow liability for people not driving." Liability can mean either criminal liability (guilt) or civil liability, and while civil liability is what is more commonly meant, the fact that you were talking about an illegal action in the previous phrase indicated that you were talking about criminal liability - i.e. that the action was illegal.


The fact that I'm referring to a lawsuit indicates that I'm talking about civil liability.

I clarified - don't nitpick.

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Furthermore, negligence requires that an action be a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances, not "knowledge that it's not ok", whatever that means. The decision is not a slippery slope; a person of ordinary care should know that if they text someone, there is a high probability that person will give their attention to the text. We're conditioned to respond to telephones when they alert us from a young age, and that includes texting in recent years.


Except that, everyone knows it's illegal to read texts in the car. For that reason, I assume that people will not break the law if I text them.

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They are intended to attract the attention of people in general, not drivers, specifically, and the case established that you knowingly have to text (i.e. distract) a driver - that means a specific driver who actually caused an accident, not that you did something intended to attract attention in general and it just so happened that a driver was the one who caught it and then wrecked. That's what "knowing" means, legally - knowing is a culpable mental state and has a specific legal meaning.


I think you're splitting hairs.

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This is why slippery slope is a fallacy. If what you said actually were to happen, it would be practically impossible to move about on the roads since any accident could be blamed on practically anything that happened in sight of a road. Telling people not to text someone who is driving, on the other hand, is narrow, highly specific, and doesn't interfere with general use of the roadways and their environs. This is why it would never be extrapolated in that fashion; the people that make the law and apply the law don't want things to end up that way any more than you do.


Exactly right. Which is why this is a terrible decision. The fact that it is applied in one instance and probably won't be in others makes it ambiguous and unclear.

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Don't tell people to read your posts or not nitpick. Make arguments that make sense. You're the one always ***** that if someone doesn't understand you, its on the speaker to clarify what they mean, so quit acting like a self-important douchebag. You're the one nitpicking your own vague posting to claim I "didn't read it."


Don't tell me what to post, or give me instructions on what to do prior to posting (or at least be prepared to be called on your hypocrisy). You're still nitpicking after I clarified. If you want to discuss the topic, great, if you want to engage in that sort of behavior I'm not interested.


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Yes, you did say it was illegal, even if you didn't intend to. You said the law prohibits "texting while driving", then went in your next phrase to say "and this has slipped to now potentially allow liability for people not driving." Liability can mean either criminal liability (guilt) or civil liability, and while civil liability is what is more commonly meant, the fact that you were talking about an illegal action in the previous phrase indicated that you were talking about criminal liability - i.e. that the action was illegal.


The fact that I'm referring to a lawsuit indicates that I'm talking about civil liability.

I clarified - don't nitpick.


You clarified now, and I haven't been nitpicking. You're the one always claiming that it's on the speaker to be clear, so don't use the "you're nitpicking" excuse now.

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Furthermore, negligence requires that an action be a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances, not "knowledge that it's not ok", whatever that means. The decision is not a slippery slope; a person of ordinary care should know that if they text someone, there is a high probability that person will give their attention to the text. We're conditioned to respond to telephones when they alert us from a young age, and that includes texting in recent years.


Except that, everyone knows it's illegal to read texts in the car. For that reason, I assume that people will not break the law if I text them.


It isn't illegal everywhere, and if you know it's illegal for them to read your text but text them while driving anyhow, then you understand the risks if they do read it or reply to it.

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They are intended to attract the attention of people in general, not drivers, specifically, and the case established that you knowingly have to text (i.e. distract) a driver - that means a specific driver who actually caused an accident, not that you did something intended to attract attention in general and it just so happened that a driver was the one who caught it and then wrecked. That's what "knowing" means, legally - knowing is a culpable mental state and has a specific legal meaning.


I think you're splitting hairs.


No one cares what you think. That's what "knowingly" means in our jurisprudence, and it's why your worries about slippery slopes are total nonsense. You simply don't understand the legal system very well, but think you do, insist on sticking with your opinion based only on your own intuition anyhow, and then want to talk about "hair splitting". You basically just have no idea what you're talking about.

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This is why slippery slope is a fallacy. If what you said actually were to happen, it would be practically impossible to move about on the roads since any accident could be blamed on practically anything that happened in sight of a road. Telling people not to text someone who is driving, on the other hand, is narrow, highly specific, and doesn't interfere with general use of the roadways and their environs. This is why it would never be extrapolated in that fashion; the people that make the law and apply the law don't want things to end up that way any more than you do.


Exactly right. Which is why this is a terrible decision. The fact that it is applied in one instance and probably won't be in others makes it ambiguous and unclear.


No it doesn't. Don't text people who are driving. It doesn't extend to anything else. Only a total idiot could possibly think this is unclear.

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Don't tell people to read your posts or not nitpick. Make arguments that make sense. You're the one always ***** that if someone doesn't understand you, its on the speaker to clarify what they mean, so quit acting like a self-important douchebag. You're the one nitpicking your own vague posting to claim I "didn't read it."


Don't tell me what to post, or give me instructions on what to do prior to posting. You're still nitpicking after I clarified. If you want to discuss the topic, great, if you want to engage in that sort of behavior I'm not interested.[/quote]

You're using this nitpicking thing as an excuse to not deal with legalities that don't fit your intuitive ideas. If you don't want to be told how to post, then don't tell anyone else how to post. You're claiming I'm "nitpicking" because you don't understand the issue and you want details that are beyond your understanding to just go away.

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DE - this entire derail is based on you nitpicking. Yes, I understand "knowingly", I understand how the legal system works (in general).

Whether this is a slippery slope fallacy or not (I don't believe that it is) is irrelevant. It's a terrible decision. You're nitpicking at every aspect of my posts, while ignoring the point - it's a vague decision that opens the door to liability where none should exist.

I'm not interested in debating minutia, and I'm certainly not interested in squabbling with you over who can post what, how, etc.


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DE - this entire derail is based on you nitpicking. Yes, I understand "knowingly", I understand how the legal system works (in general).


No, it's based on you trying to jump back and forth between terms that have a specific legal meaning you don't know, and ideas that apparently are just your intuitive assumptions ("texting is not ok") and just unilaterally calling discussion "nitpicking" because you don't want to deal with it.

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Whether this is a slippery slope fallacy or not (I don't believe that it is) is irrelevant. It's a terrible decision. You're nitpicking at every aspect of my posts, while ignoring the point - it's a vague decision that opens the door to liability where none should exist.


Except that it isn't, and your "nitpicking" claim is begging the question. Since you dismiss rules of logic, (Slippery Slope is an error in reasoning) you pretty much concede the entire argument. Your point has already been addressed, it's wrong, and you're just blathering on because you can't accept that your intuitive conclusion isn't based on reality. Furthermore, I can already reliably predict based on your past habits that you'll just keep replying and insisting to the contrary despite claiming that you're "not interested" in discussing things if people engage in "that sort of behavior", which apparently is anything you define as nitpicking so as to give yourself a graceful exit.

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I'm not interested in debating minutia, and I'm certainly not interested in squabbling with you over who can post what, how, etc.


You're not interested in debating "minutae" for the same reason you always want to not go into detail - you don't understand it. The door is not open to what you think it is because the legal system does not work that way. Decisions are not taken by judges with an eye only to arbitrary and simplistic consistency; the actual real-world burdens imposed are a major part of decision making, and all of your fears of this decision being extended to every possible distraction would impose major and unreasonable burdens. You, for no apparent reason other than your personal distrust of everyone but you to be reasonable, think judges would impose this burden on society because this decision "opened the door" or some ****.

You already conceded that your pink and green house example was silly, therefore your reducio ad absurdum attack on the decision already failed by your own admission. That is a concession that your position is a slippery slope, and you cannot assume that this decision necessarily will open the door to any other liability. You would need to show that it necessarily will lead to any particular new area of liability, not just that you're worried that it could. Your personal worry or cynicism isn't evidence.

If you don't want to get into discussions about who can post what, then don't **** start them.

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Not interested, DE. If you'd like to discuss the topic, I'm game.


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I would assume this decision would be in force if the person a) knew the receiver was driving, and b) required a read and response.

I can see something like a boss sending a text wanting information *now*, even knowing that the person was driving, being considered as liable in such a case.

Outside of such incidents, I don't see the application.

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