The Glade 4.0

Yes, the bill I'm aware of that the Senate passed originated in the House. There may be another one I am missing? There is a lot going on at the moment.

Further, there's nothing stopping the Senate from preparing a bill, and giving it to the House and having it "originate" there. That's what I meant by "propose".



I don't disagree with this PERSPECTIVE.



Sorry, I got to "that's not really hyperbole" and rolled my eyes so hard they popped out of their sockets. That's not really an exaggeration, either.



Crap, they fell out again.



I definitely agree with your perspective.

According to Wikipedia the bill that became the ACA originated in the Senate it was passed to the House, amended and then passed back to the Senate.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

you'll have to wait for Sissel v. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to be decided.

Well, I wasn't referring to the ACA, but even if that's the case, it doesn't really matter. If it is passed by the House and then passed by the Senate, it doesn't really matter what the Senate did prior.

Sure it does because you know - meaning of word originate.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Ok, so if they all like the bill the Senators came up with, what do they do? Retype it? Should they change a certain percentage of the words? Oh, I know, anyone who read it or heard about their ideas should be sequestered until someone from the House comes up with an idea.

How about they just obey the law?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I was talking to Taly earlier this week about how I will live to see the United States become a second rate also-ran. We became too interested in giving everyone a free ride on the backs of our best and brightest. Now there's really no incentive to excel at anything.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

There's also less incentive for the 99% to break out the guillotines and start murdering all the rich people.

Obamacare proponents, by and large, do not care about the debt. Simply explaining how much Medicare costs and is going to cost usually gets some kind of response along the lines of: "Stop murdering people with your incessant deficit hawking" You don't even get to the point where you can explain the costs of Obamacare.

because you know stealing from people who are making more is okay as long as it appeases the masses but stealing from the masses is bad...

if someone were to break into my house to take my jewelry or my belongings, I would have a right to shoot them in the **** head, smearing their god damned brains all over the wall. But you think because the masses do it collectively to someone who can afford the jewels and belongings... it is okay

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

There are numerous alternatives for them.



A) Illegal for group plans PRIOR to Obamacare
B) Fractional percentage of the population of the uninsured
C) Illegal for individual plans UNDER Obamacare.

Moot point.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Sure - sounds good. I noticed however that you ignored everything I wrote about how they were actually following the law.

Still, great point.

Everything you wrote would be attempting to evade the law or just ridiculous.

And not everyone liked what was in the Senate bill, it was chosen because the House bill wouldn't pass the Senate after a special election of a new Republican Senator.

So yea, obey the law. Scrap the Senate bill and have it introduced in the House as a new bill - you know following the responsibilities and duties of their jobs. Hey maybe you like employees to violate the rules of their job I don't.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Ok, yeah - if they introduce it in the House, it's a House bill. If it passes in the House and then passes in the Senate, they're following the law. So let's say they have a Senate bill, and everyone likes it. Per the Elmo plan, they must "scrap it". Ok, np. Can they email it to a House Rep before "scrapping it"? What does "scrapping it" entail? If it resurfaces in its entirety in the House (which is basically what they are doing now) is it against the law? Why? What about the Representatives right to introduce whatever legislation they want? What level of "scrapping" is acceptable?

Bottom line, despite your rhetoric, it must pass in the House and then the Senate. That's pretty much it.

Yes they can have the exact words brought up as a new House Bill with a new number unconnected to the Senate Bill that had a copy in the house.

Why - because it is the law that they swore to uphold.

Why do you want people breaking their oaths of office?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Just go fire The Shot Heard Round The World III, within a year, someone will.

Prediction only.

I - The Concord Hymn
II - Archduke Franz Ferdinand
III - ???

This would of course be the world events version as opposed to the sports versions.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

That isn't going to happen. People go have revolutions when they're desperate. People are not desperate here, not even close. We're living in a country where people can pledge hundreds of dollars to an upcoming internet spaceship game. Professional sports are getting as much or more attention as the government shutdown. There's lots of people that can talk a good game about something like that, but they're going to sit out in the woods and keep talking because they like hunting and fishing and revolution would interrupt that. Either that, or they'd have to get off the couch, put down their beer, and miss all their favorite TV shows.. and there's just no percentage in that right now. People can make all the "bread and circuses" comments they want, but the fact is that if you're getting your bread and your circuses, you're not desperate. Life here is still vastly better than almost any other circumstance humanity has ever experienced.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I hope you are right DE. I fear I am.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

People have been preaching imminent revolution around here since before we split off from the original Glade. Based on the predictions made so confidently in 2006, it should have happened 2 years ago. Civil wars happen in places like Libya and Syria becuase of the conditions there. No matter what dramatics people describe the conditions here in, they aren't even close. It's not going to happen. Our most-likely-to-revolt member wants to play Star Citizen just like the rest of us.

(Note - not taking a shot at SC here, it's just an example. No baggage to the game thread is intended.)

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Gonna have to side with DE here.

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Why do you insist on strawman arguments?

What you suggest is exactly what is being done. If it passes in the House, then the Senate, all is golden and no one is doing any such thing.

Same here, with the caveat that you'll see a lot more nuts acting crazy as people get more and more disgruntled. It's not likely going to be a situation like, Egypt, for example, with the masses rising up at once. You'll see more individuals, small groups, then the masses. We have a long way to go yet.

No, thats not my position and you know it isn't.

The bill originated in the Senate (see those words which don't end in "the House") was sent to the house then back to the Senate. That is not the same as "The bill originated in the House" which is what is mandated by law.

It's not a strawman when the Constitution lists a process and you encourage elected officials to break that oath of office. It is literally what you're doing.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Also pew pew pew lasers and SPACE MISSILES.

I want to play and DE is right so long as it is more comfortable to do nothing most people will do nothing, when it becomes more likely to result in comfort by doing something people will do something.

Football, pizza, beer - so long as these flow there won't be much in way of revolution. Disrupt any of them for a bit - watch out.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville