The Glade 4.0

Somalia, Zimbabwe, the Weimar Republic, Japan between the Wars, and any number of other failed states over history have shown, monetizing your debt is always a losing proposition.

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

Just as a complete aside, why on earth would someone give Obama the Nicolay Draft of the Gettysburg Address, when Lincoln affixed his signature and a date to the Bliss Version?

Wait what?

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

The Learn the Address website recorded Barack Obama reading the Gettysburg Address. They claimed it was the Nicolay Version of the address, which omits the phrase "under God." The Bliss Version, which is widely regarded as the canonical and authoritative version of the Gettysburg Address, contains that phrase.

You know, I'd love to see a working, efficient, universal health care system in America....

There should be no "we-ness" in government. "Liberal government" needs to die. Government needs to be shrunk and curtailed and hobbled so it serves only the purpose of protecting our rights, and providing some semblance of "equality of opportunity," but not ever endeavoring to provide "equality of outcome."

Then you went on to define a war as a signature policy:

How do you square these two views, Taly?

That would assume that A) a 2-state solution is even viable, given that the other side wants a one state (that state being "anything run by Arab muslims") solution and rejected 2 states back in 1947. It also takes the questionable position that it is somehow harming our interests to support Israel, and makes a lot of highly questionable assertions about Israeli politics, especially in light of the untrustworthiness of those they are supposed to be dealing with. It's entirely too easy for us or the Europeans to sit over here and be critical of the Israelis just because the Arab states have given up on major armed conflict and let the Palestinians take the role of underdog.

To the degree Israel is ethno-nationalist it is because their opponents have made it clear that being anything else will be used as an inroad to end the Israeli state as it presently exists, wither through conquest or through the weight of numbers were they to hand out citizenship and franchise. This is a perfect example of why "human rights" as an international issue is a complete fraud.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

That's a horrifically bleak view, you're basically saying the Palestinians have no matter what they do, as Israel cannot risk enfranchising them even if they were to dispense with the violence.

That is the position Israel is in. Let's not paint them as the aggressor here. The Palestinians were not there at all until the Arab nations around what would later be Israel decided to dilute the Hebrew population by displacing them with Arab people.

Umm... no, Jordan is the Jordanian State. The Palestinians HAD a country called Palestine before the West stepped in and gave it to the Jews.

No. Not exactly. Take a look at this link if you want a bird's eye view of the general history. There was no sovereign, independent Palestine.

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

That's a horrifically bleak view, you're basically saying the Palestinians have no hope no matter what they do, as Israel cannot risk enfranchising them even if they were to dispense with the violence.

Are you sure?



I keep googling and coming up with Israel occupying that spot which is weird since it didn't exist until 1948.

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup then nor now.

Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.