The Glade 4.0

Look at Lex being the sound voice of reason up in this thread. Nice.

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Drugs such as adderall, caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, and others make your conscious experience more interesting and make you temporarily feel better or worse. They can also adversely impact your physical and psychological health to varying amounts. That's about it. They don't make you more successful. Success is based mostly on education, belief systems, parenting, culture, personal interests, intelligence, skill sets, daily routines, affiliations, and that sort of thing. Substances play practically zero part in it. If you give adderall to an Australian aboriginee, he won't be the next Mark Zuckerberg.

Ok then. Anti-psychotics. Insulin. Various types of thyroid medication.

This **** thread. Some of you are being unbelievably shitty people. How on earth did you make it into adulthood thinking that was okay to relate to other people this way? It boggles the mind.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

+2

(Yeah, I kinda miss the old pez system.)

I don't think it's shitty personalities so much as it's just ignorance and frightening levels of arrogance. I mean, to come to some of the conclusions stated above, you'd have to ignore a lot of research and the opinions of a great many professionals.

DE continuing to be everything everyone already should have known he is.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

So are Taskiss and Riov. My heart bleeds for them.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I defend myself when attacked.

U mad bro?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What exactly has TheRiov said in this thread that's so terribly offensive? Because I'm not seeing it.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

He hasn't said anything offensive, his attitude of "I know better than the nationally renowned multi-decade veteran of neurological behavior" that's annoying. As if we should just completely disregard the original article and viewpoint because his daughter has a condition and he's the only person to ever deal with "ADHD" first-hand.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Maybe it was this line right here:



Also, I seem to recall that we used to have rules and moderation, and we actually had some success in getting people to stick to the topic with them, despite the "there shouldn't be any rules because message board!" crowd protestations. You want to fix this? Go back to the way it was - if you can find anyone to moderate that hasn't already totally lost the confidence of every other poster.

If you've got a free forum like this, when one person escalates, pretty much everyone else escalates sooner or later. People are only going to sit there and take it for so long. Want it to stop? Get rid of this forum, and go back to actual moderation, and start handing out temp bans for frivilous, whiny complaints about the moderation or the fact that rules exist. You'll have to find moderators elsewhere though, because no one - you included - holds anyone's confidence around here anymore.

You're being pretty selective too.. I mean, what's so special about THIS thread? And how come you make no mention of (for example) Elmo coming in taking a one-line pointless ad-hom **** that contributes nothing meaningful whatsoever? For that matter, do you really think coming in telling people they are "unbelievably shitty" is productive?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I was referring to an individual "continuing to be everything everyone already should have known he is." Is Riov offensive? Perhaps not in the same overt manner that DE and Taskiss may be, but he is insulting their intelligence. I seem to recall that's what some people have found offensive about me at times.

To clarify my original post: DE is being classically DE, Taskiss is being classically Taskiss, and Riov is being classically Riov. I... don't see what's upsetting about this thread that isn't upsetting about any other time one or more of those individuals starts posting. Is it because we're supposed to feel sympathy for Riov over the tragedy of having a child with ADHD, rather than pondering whether he may be a shitty parent?

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Have I done this? I generally stick to the mantra that Hellfire gets zero moderation but any other requests (of which there have been none in months) I try to consistently handle according to our guidelines.

I will note that Stathol calling us shitty human beings does not denote any wish of his to get rid of this forum or have increased moderation.

I still bereiveeee in youuuuuu!!!

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Holy shitsnacks!

Except that once again my personal life seems to be on trial. I mention my own personal experience with ADHD meds and children with ADHD and I'm being called a shitty parent, and told how I'm 'drugging my child because I can't deal with her' or words to that effect.

No one else on this board gets targeted that way. And no this isn't me saying Poor me. I can take it. This is saying its a shit-filled thing to do to attack people who's politics you don't like by going after their personal lives and their family.

You want to come at me for the way I argue on the board, go for it. You think my politics are odious? Knock yourself out. You think I'm condescending, you're probably at least a little right. You won't hear me complain about it when you go off on the boards about what an ******* I am.

But we don't go after each others family, friends, acquaintances and relationships as a vector for board debate. Every person here has a laundry list of personal faults--in the 10+ years of this boards existence we're bound to accumulate a few details about the personal lives of others. Certain assholes on this board seem to take that as free ammo. The rest of the board at least has the class to avoid non-board related insults/judgements in their debate.

Actually I've said nothing about the Doctor's opinion. I've said that the people on the board commenting on it for the most part have no experience with ADHD and implied somewhat distantly, that they're just taking a fad opinion based on little actual research on the subject.

Takiss, Oonagh, and a few others on this board DO have at least some direct experience with it, so at least their opinions are somewhat informed.

As for the doctor's article, and as I've mentioned in previous threads, I've tried the dietary changes, the sleep changes, routine changes, etc. In our case, we did NOT see any improvements. I resisted 'drugging my child' for more than a year. But her academics continued to fall apart. She was miserable at school because no one could stand to be around her she was so unpredictable and the teachers were yelling at her constantly. She was in trouble at home because of poor impulse control. I tried dozens of punishment & reward schemes. Nothing worked--- until we gave her the ADHD meds. Suddenly she was able to function much better, her grades improved, the discipline incidents vanished. She was HAPPY. She was not lonely because she could make friends. And she feels more in control.

Now the dr's article doesn't specifically state what dietary changes he recommends, but we tried a large number. She has caffeine at best, once or twice a year, we cut out gluten, simple carbs, adjusted bedtimes, you name it. There may well be something we didn't do, but in my experience, the things the Doctor recommends in his article did NOT help my daughter.

That's not the lack of confidence I was referring to, although to be fair you've done what you state.



Clearly not. It was him coming and dropping his own turd of judgementalism on the forum in general, which hardl helps.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No tears you're not in my thoughts enough to generate any emotion. I just think its sad and funny (mostly sad) that an adult acts the way you do and worse yet you act more this way the older you get.

If you haven't noticed I don't post much in Hellfire or anywhere on here much anymore but I do browse and what struck me is that in all this time you haven't changed except to be even more of a warning why it's dangerous to think like you do.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I think you're misreading what he's saying. I doubt he completely disagrees with Mr. Expert. But in any case, being nationally renowned or a multi-decade veteran doesn't mean that you're automatically completely right 100% of the time. There are many just as renowned and just as experienced people who hold differing opinions. All TheRiov is saying is that, having done a lot of research on the subject, and having weighed the opinions and studies of many experts, he believes that the preponderance of the evidence suggests that ADHD does exist. But hey, **** him, right?


No, that's just it. The reason this thread sticks out at me is that, well... To be totally blunt, I'm not TheRiov's #1 fan. I don't have particularly sympathetic feelings towards the guy. So okay, you don't like TheRiov. I get it. But seriously, how screwed in the head do you have to be to think that justifies saying **** like this to someone?:


He'll deny it, but we all know that this was supposed to be interpreted as "I hope you suffer. **** off and die". To quote Pulp Fiction, that is some **** up, repugnant ****.


^ This.


^ And this.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

No tears, yet sad. Got it.



And the forum is better for it, after years of you shitting up the place by insisting on an untenable position, then refusing to defend it by any means other than just insisting that other people have to follow your assumptions; interspersed with occasional tough-guy calls for violence.

You are one of the main reasons this place is a shithole, Elmo. Pulling out after years and years of shitting the place up isn't a recommendation for you. You've been on this thing about how "DE is DE" and my thinking is supposedly bad because.. well, mainly because it's not the way you think.

That's been pretty much your entire contribution to this forum over the years; a lot of judgemental bullshit aimed at anyone that doesn't buy into your idiot ideas. Ideas which you have defended with absolutely nothing other than imprecations against whoever you happened to be talking to at the moment. The only reason you got away with it was the general tenor of the board.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Except of course for the fact that he told everyone else they basically aren't entitled to THEIR opinion either, which I re-posted for your convenience. But hey, **** that, right? That can't possibly have anything to do with the reaction.



Funny, you weren't too concerned a few threads ago when I related how my child-rearing methods resulted in an adult daughter that's independent, well-educated, well-adjusted, and taking as much responsibility for herself as she could manage, and got told I was an idiot for not following someone else's child-rearing principles. Not that it really mattered, I'm pretty damn confident my results speak for themselves compared to some of the utter train wrecks people relate, or people who haven't raised a kid and just talk out of their ***.

This thread really SHOULDN'T stick out to you, and neither should the other one; in both cases TR and I put our own family out there for examination, and people examined it. I didn't really care that much, other than the amusement value in people trying to lecture me on how I was doing it wrong despite being pretty much totally successful, whereas TR thinks he's having his personal life unfairly examined. The other major difference is that you decided to come in here and take a crap all over everyone with your condescending post for some reason. Really, you want to call us out on our behavior at the same time you're calling us all "shitty people"?


He'll deny it, but we all know that this was supposed to be interpreted as "I hope you suffer. **** off and die". To quote Pulp Fiction, that is some **** up, repugnant ****.



Aside from the fact that other people DO get examined in this way when they put their personal lives in the middle of a discussion, and there's a lengthy history of people asking for advice or opinions, then getting mad when they got ones they didn't like. I can recall quite a few, and not specifically in Hellfire; it happens in Rants too.

TR just has had a habit of putting a little too much of his personal life out there for examination.. and has a history of saying some REALLY questionable things, so now when he does say something personal about himself, it attracts scrutiny. Some of that scrutiny is unfair (reference Taskiss's assumption of his motives for using ADHD medications), some of it is not.



Yeah, we're back to the "no emotion, yet sad" thing.. right. Because blatantly contradicting yourself makes sense.
Frankly, Elmo thinking something is "dangerous" is probably an indication that' it's a good idea.

As for you, a little self-examination might be in order. Like I've said before, you used to be one of the best, if not THE best poster around here in terms of civility and general reasonableness. I don't know who you are, but just let us know who you are and what you did with Stathol.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Something that was said in response to Lenas's direct assault on my parenting with zero knowledge of the situation and no real research on the subject.