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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:34 am 
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Autocratic Dictator's "Security" Staff assaults US Citizen Protestors on US Soil.

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/17/528822184 ... washington

Last I checked... this *is* still America right?

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Autocratic Dictator's "Security" Staff assaults US Citizen Protestors on US Soil.

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/17/528822184 ... washington

Last I checked... this *is* still America right?


Yes, and this isn't the first incident. The Turkish President ought to be told if he wants to visit in the future he's going to have to leave his thugs bodyguards at home.

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Holy ****... we agree on this one?

****... Um...

Man, I can't believe how those dirty protesters provoked such a response from those dedicated servants o fdem... no. I can't. That's just too far.

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Holy ****... we agree on this one?

****... Um...

Man, I can't believe how those dirty protesters provoked such a response from those dedicated servants o fdem... no. I can't. That's just too far.


Of course we do. Embassies are considered sovereign territory; it necessarily follows that using an embassy to launch any kind of physical attack outside of the embassy is an attack on the host nation. Technically, this was an act of war. I don't think objecting to an act of war on American soil is really controversial.

I see no reason to go completely apeshit over it, but the Turks need a good spanking.

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Which... I doubt they'll get.

Cause we need them because of Syria or some ****... I dunno. Maybe we should ally with the Kurds and piss off everyone down there.

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Which... I doubt they'll get.

Cause we need them because of Syria or some ****... I dunno. Maybe we should ally with the Kurds and piss off everyone down there.


The fact that they're in NATO complicates things a lot. I read something indicating we're going to be providing arms to the Kurds, though.

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Holy ****... we agree on this one?

****... Um...

Man, I can't believe how those dirty protesters provoked such a response from those dedicated servants o fdem... no. I can't. That's just too far.


Of course we do. Embassies are considered sovereign territory; it necessarily follows that using an embassy to launch any kind of physical attack outside of the embassy is an attack on the host nation. Technically, this was an act of war. I don't think objecting to an act of war on American soil is really controversial.

I see no reason to go completely apeshit over it, but the Turks need a good spanking.


Yes, yes they do. I think most hightailed it out of the country, though. **** those guys and we'd better raise some diplomatic hell about it.

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Watching that video was one of the only times I can remember thinking to myself that the cops should have been using a lot more force. Tasers, night sticks and pepper spray, accompanied by multiple arrests, were definitely warranted.


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Watching that video was one of the only times I can remember thinking to myself that the cops should have been using a lot more force. Tasers, night sticks and pepper spray, accompanied by multiple arrests, were definitely warranted.


Not... according to Turkey...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40003575

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Turkey has blamed US officials for "aggressive and unprofessional actions" and "security lapses" during President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's visit last week.
The Turkish foreign minister said it had summoned the US ambassador, John Bass, and asked for an investigation.
During the key visit, a brawl erupted between protesters and Turkish security personnel, injuring 11 people.
Police called it a "brutal attack" on protesters, but Turkey blamed the violence on pro-Kurdish demonstrators.
Meanwhile, US State Department spokesman Heather Nauert said "the conduct of Turkish security personnel... was deeply disturbing".
"The State Department has raised its concerns about those events at the highest levels," she added.
Watch: Erdogan watches as security guards attack protesters
US summons Turkish envoy over brawl
The incident happened on Tuesday outside the Turkish embassy in Washington, hours after Mr Erdogan met with US President Donald Trump.
Video footage of the clash showed men in suits charging past police to kick and punch protesters.
"A written and verbal protest was delivered due to the aggressive and unprofessional actions taken, contrary to diplomatic rules and practices, by US security personnel," the Turkish foreign minister said in a statement.
The "lapses of security", it added, "were caused by the inability of US authorities to take sufficient precautions at every stage of the official program".

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Too bad the protestors were disarmed.

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Too bad the protestors were disarmed.


Yes, clearly it would be better if Turkey could claim its Presidential detail had been attacked by "armed terrorists".

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Too bad the protestors were disarmed.


Yes, clearly it would be better if Turkey could claim its Presidential detail had been attacked by "armed terrorists".


Who the hell cares what they claim? If they violate rights on our soil then **** em. Their dead will be the reminder of how to act when a guest somewhere.

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Who the hell cares what they claim? If they violate rights on our soil then **** em. Their dead will be the reminder of how to act when a guest somewhere.


If they violate our rights on our soil, that's for the government to deal with - in the fashion it deems appropriate. I already pointed out this was an act of war. Had the Turks started shooting themselves, we have an infantry regiment and the DC National Guard to deal with that, assuming the police can't handle it.

As for who cares, I think you know exactly who cares - people who would love to turn such an incident into complaining about the imagined evils of the 2nd Amendment. You do get that there are major political interests in this country that ought not to be given ammunition for their stances, don't you?

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people who would love to turn such an incident into complaining about the imagined evils of the 2nd Amendment. You do get that there are major political interests in this country that ought not to be given ammunition for their stances, don't you?


Well, obviously those people should be shot too. Traitors to the Union they are. They probably believe that taxation isn't theft too.

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Well, obviously those people should be shot too. Traitors to the Union they are. They probably believe that taxation isn't theft too.


Some people are really good at talking about who should be shot on the internet.

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Well, obviously those people should be shot too. Traitors to the Union they are. They probably believe that taxation isn't theft too.


Some people are really good at talking about who should be shot on the internet.

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Müs wrote:
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people who would love to turn such an incident into complaining about the imagined evils of the 2nd Amendment. You do get that there are major political interests in this country that ought not to be given ammunition for their stances, don't you?


Well, obviously those people should be shot too. Traitors to the Union they are. They probably believe that taxation isn't theft too.


Their shouldn't be anything that empower someone's ***** about their feels to be able to violate the rights of others. Let alone in a system which supposedly has the highest law prohibiting that entity from doing so. I would love to live in a world where acting to violate the rights of others has a good chance of getting that person shot. Most people would learn to at least fake respect for others real fast and seriously get interested in how to actually act in at the least - amoral ways. I'm not a person who think that we have too much violence in the world at base, we do, but only because the violence is misdirected. Were it properly directed we would have a great deal less of it in total in the world.

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Their shouldn't be anything that empower someone's ***** about their feels to be able to violate the rights of others. Let alone in a system which supposedly has the highest law prohibiting that entity from doing so. I would love to live in a world where acting to violate the rights of others has a good chance of getting that person shot. Most people would learn to at least fake respect for others real fast and seriously get interested in how to actually act in at the least - amoral ways. I'm not a person who think that we have too much violence in the world at base, we do, but only because the violence is misdirected. Were it properly directed we would have a great deal less of it in total in the world.


The irony here is that your world either isn't populated by actual humans, but elmo-bots, or else you would survive just long enough to realize your world was a horrible, horrible mistake.

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Their shouldn't be anything that empower someone's ***** about their feels to be able to violate the rights of others. Let alone in a system which supposedly has the highest law prohibiting that entity from doing so. I would love to live in a world where acting to violate the rights of others has a good chance of getting that person shot. Most people would learn to at least fake respect for others real fast and seriously get interested in how to actually act in at the least - amoral ways. I'm not a person who think that we have too much violence in the world at base, we do, but only because the violence is misdirected. Were it properly directed we would have a great deal less of it in total in the world.


The irony here is that your world either isn't populated by actual humans, but elmo-bots, or else you would survive just long enough to realize your world was a horrible, horrible mistake.



I don't want Elmo-bots. Or I don't care actually. Each person can direct their action how the best believe they can gain their future happiness. Those who seek to trounce on others would soon be cowed, maimed, or dead. Then the natural risk aversiveness of humanity will cause them to seek peaceful solutions since non peaceful ones mean actual and likely immeadeate risk. Humans respond to incentives and the incentives in this world suck. In the US and most "first world" nations we behave with the mask of civility and export violence on others via our government in a desperate game in the later stages of democracy as De'Touqeville warned where it's simply small groups moving their pieces to try to steal the most from the other groups while being stolen from least. The cover of our indoctrination that democracy moralizes such things is also our public mask. Take away that effect and we can't wear masks for long for there isn't any group delusion of cover. Your word, your actions, define you. No SJW's squaking about being offended because it gives them no political vis a vis social power.

Yeah people would hate the part where all of that false civility gets burned off by the end of the system. Lots of people would not do well or survive. More people would be better off for longer though and the incidence of the suffering during that period is most likely to fall on those who caused the most suffering prior. Do we care that violent criminals are most likely to be violent to each other? I don't. Do I care that ER's wouldn't have to spend resources patching them up? I don't. Do I care that after the initial waves of violence calm down the major drivers of violence like the drug war will vanish? Hell yes. Do I care that the criminal advancement and gang recruiting centers aka prisons will be gone? Absolutely. Politicians as a class will have to starve or do actaul work others find valuable? Yeah that would be nice. Walking through a currency transition now would be a helluva lot better than going through the eventual currency collapse when I'm older than now-ish.

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Sounds good if you ignore the totality of human history.


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I can make Communism sound amazing too if I get to ignore human nature.


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I can make Communism sound amazing too if I get to ignore human nature.

that, and every real world example of that economic model ever

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Those who seek to trounce on others would soon be cowed, maimed, or dead.


Or they'd just put you up against the wall first.

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I hope you all take a good long luck at yourselves for the system you're supporting because it is a package deal. You get your imagined comfort and safey but you also get the warfare state and the abuse of rights at home.

The only ones who can ignore the totality of human history are the ones who support the state. Name an entity that has killed more people in it's name and no, religion doesn't even come close.

When you concentrate power it will be abused. The more you concentrate it the more it will be abused and the worse the degree of that abuse. You claim to want a good soceity but you support the structure that evil depends on to thrive.

And DE, they will likely try. That's fine. I accept the risk for a better world. If they do try I'll take a huge chunk of them with me and be absolutely at peace over the exchange. Fear doesn't control me.

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I hope you all take a good long luck at yourselves for the system you're supporting because it is a package deal. You get your imagined comfort and safey but you also get the warfare state and the abuse of rights at home.


That's strange. I'm looking at most of the world and myself, and my comfort and safety seem pretty real - unless of course I get sent there to fight them. As for "warfare state", war will always be a thing. I'm fine with being more powerful than the other guy, and your ideas of how rights work are too stupid to be countenanced.

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You don't accept any risk. You post bullshit on the internet. Your fantasy world doesn't actually exist. All you're doing is engaging in slacktivism. You don't know what risk is; you have never felt it.

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