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You might think they're not, but you'd be surprised.


I believe it is you who would be surprised, that I'm not surprised.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Are you suggesting toddlers can read? Or that they should be fully aware of all the choking hazards around them?

As I've pointed out, most of the people in this thread are uninformed on this subject. They should all die?


The idea of putting a warning label on something meant to be placed in your mouth that it can be dangerous is beyond contemptable.

If someone is not paying attention to make sure that their toddler is not going to choke; they should not have children.

The toddler themselves should not be aware of the hazards, but their parent is a moron if they do not consider everything a potential choking hazard and make self guided action to prevent the choking hazard.

And I have yet to see anything showing anyone in this thread is unaware. More to the point, people here seem to be advocating self responsiblity as opposed to governmental pampering. Either way it should be self responsibility to prevent choking hazards, and the fact that people think that food should have choking hazard labels proves that humanity is full of idiots who deserve nothing but contempt and death.

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It's insignificant to other hazards children face every day. If we spend $1million on making hot dogs safer or labelling them as dangerous to save 2-3 lives per year versus spending $1 million to make car seats safer and save 30-40 lives per year guess which is more significant?


This I can get behind and agree with.

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It would let the parents know that these are foods to watch out for, which is the point.


Why should that be someone else's problem. If a parent does not know to make food less likely to be choked on... not what I think should be a viable use of taxpayer dollars.

When my daughter was a toddler... hot dogs were cut in hald down the middle, and then each half was bisected. Then each half of that was bisected. Resulting in 8 french fry shaped pieces of hot dog. This was from 2 first time parents. We did not bother to read up on it first, it just made sense. It fit better into a toddlers hand and it gave her something hand sized to hold on to while eating dinner. Hell even to this day if my daughter is going to eat smoked sausage or something she peels the skin off before eating it.

It really boils down to f**k people who need the government to tell them how to raise their kids, or how to be a human being. Plain and simple. If you cannot think for yourself; you have no business creating a life which is supposed to learn from you how to think for itself.

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Yes but the problem with what you suggested DS is that there is a huge industry based on human stupidity. Lawyers, concerned groups, and some legislators are the first things coming to mind.

Oh wont someone think of the lawyers~!!! :neko:


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Darksiege,

Once again you are completely missing the point. Missing several points, actually.

First, nobody's talking about the government telling you how to raise your kids, or even that the government should require warning labels. So half your post is irrelevant right there.

Second, and this is key, is that no one is denying that parents should know to cut their food into smaller bits. The issue is that hot dogs are, even when cut into smaller bits, a higher choking hazard than other foods of the same size and shape. I did not know this prior to taking a CPR class. My wife did not know this, nor did my parents. I can tell from the posts that many here did not know that.

This does not make them idiots that deserve nothing but contempt and death (oh, and lighten the hell up, Christ).

It makes them merely uninformed. This is easily correctable by simple measures - like a warning label.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
This is easily correctable by simple measures - like a warning labelreading a pamphlet.

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This is easily correctable by simple measures - like a warning labelreading a pamphlet.


What pamphlet?

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
First, nobody's talking about the government telling you how to raise your kids, or even that the government should require warning labels.

Wait, what?

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Federal law requires choking warning labels on certain toys including small balls, balloons and games with small parts. Unless food makers voluntarily put more warning labels on high-risk foods, there should be a similar mandate for food, the pediatrics academy says.

Adler, a Warren, N.J. attorney who pushed for more warning labels after her son died in 2001, says she hopes the academy's efforts will work. Several efforts to pass federal legislation for labels have failed in Congress.

The group also urges the Food and Drug Administration to work with other government agencies to establish a nationwide food-related choking reporting system; and to recall foods linked with choking

Try again, sir.

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Mookhow wrote:
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This is easily correctable by simple measures - like a warning labelreading a pamphlet.


What pamphlet?

One like this:
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Thank you. I assume you get that at a baby doctor office or something?

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The amount of ownage in this thread is ****.

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Yes, Mook

and Yes, DFK!

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
First, nobody's talking about the government telling you how to raise your kids, or even that the government should require warning labels. So half your post is irrelevant right there.


The OP (as Kaffis quoted) is about people trying to get federal agencies to pressure companies into recalls because of their stupidity; and to mandate federal warnings.

You may have taken a CPR course which explicitly told you of the dangers; but FFS it is food... for that matter why not put a warning label on celery?

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Because kids would have to *eat* celery to choke on it.

Same with brussels sprouts and broccoli.

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when you introduce the peanut butter or cream cheese to celery it is very edible. And Brocolli is way edible, especially if you introduce melted cheese to it.

But hell I still somehow end up choking on the fibers of Celery every time I eat it.

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It's been a while since you were a kid huh DS /poke and prod hehe...

In other news... peanut butter and bread is actually pretty bad for choking if the kid accidentally inhales and the peanut butter gets stuck to the throat... just ... random facts..


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You know what else is bad for choking?

Abdominal thrusts and back slaps.

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My son never had any trouble eating hot dogs or any other food when he was little! In fact he once ate "green chicken" and survived! Some kids earn the Darwin Award, for one reason or another...religious folks call this God's Will...bleeding hearts call for government intervention...the rest of us say "**** happens" and move on! Can this thread die now, please? It's becoming a "he said, she said" right now with the same old stuff being argued back and forth!

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Is there a Thread Hall of Shame that this can be enshrined in? 5+ pages of rage and supposition over hot dogs... epic.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
First, nobody's talking about the government telling you how to raise your kids, or even that the government should require warning labels.

Wait, what?

Hopwin's original article wrote:
Federal law requires choking warning labels on certain toys including small balls, balloons and games with small parts. Unless food makers voluntarily put more warning labels on high-risk foods, there should be a similar mandate for food, the pediatrics academy says.

Adler, a Warren, N.J. attorney who pushed for more warning labels after her son died in 2001, says she hopes the academy's efforts will work. Several efforts to pass federal legislation for labels have failed in Congress.

The group also urges the Food and Drug Administration to work with other government agencies to establish a nationwide food-related choking reporting system; and to recall foods linked with choking

Try again, sir.


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darksiege wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
First, nobody's talking about the government telling you how to raise your kids, or even that the government should require warning labels. So half your post is irrelevant right there.


The OP (as Kaffis quoted) is about people trying to get federal agencies to pressure companies into recalls because of their stupidity; and to mandate federal warnings.


And yet all of my posts have been explicit that I don't support that.

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You may have taken a CPR course which explicitly told you of the dangers; but FFS it is food... for that matter why not put a warning label on celery?


HOLY CRAP. Because celery doesn't have a skin that makes it surprisingly dangerous.

/bangs head on desk.

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This doesn't fit at all, bud. Nobody's suggesting moving responsibility.


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That's fine if it mentions the particular dangers and is widely available. It basically becomes a warning label at that point, just not on the product. Either way is appropriate.


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My son never had any trouble eating hot dogs or any other food when he was little! In fact he once ate "green chicken" and survived! Some kids earn the Darwin Award, for one reason or another...religious folks call this God's Will...bleeding hearts call for government intervention...the rest of us say "**** happens" and move on! Can this thread die now, please? It's becoming a "he said, she said" right now with the same old stuff being argued back and forth!


I never drowned in a pool, they must not be dangerous either!


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Is there a Thread Hall of Shame that this can be enshrined in? 5+ pages of rage and supposition over hot dogs... epic.


It never ceases to amaze me what people will argue with on this board.


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