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Federal Mandates can eliminate competition, depending on how the mandates are written. However, I disagree that raising the minimum standards automatically removes all competition.

And my experience has been that States continue to compete with each other. Texas for instances draws many businesses because they don't have a state income tax. Minnesota draws many citizens because of the great opportunities for outdoor activities. Other States have their benefits (and costs/negatives) as well.


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The problem is that enforced homogeneity is, well, homogenous. The social and ecenomic reality of that outcome is akin to the inevitable heat-death of the universe. Where there is no disparity in wealth, performance, etc. There is no motive force to compel the movement of energy within the system. Which is to say that the system grinds to a halt, continuing only in the sense of an ever downward economic "cooling".

All of which goes back to the cultural issue of egalitarianism with respect to outcome vs. egalitarianism with respect to treatment/behavior.

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I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.


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Aizle wrote:
I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.
History disagrees with you, I'm afraid.

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I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.
History disagrees with you, I'm afraid.


If that were to be true Khross, then every school across the nation would have exactly the same performance, which we all know is false. There still are better and worse schools out there, regardless of what legislation is out there.


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Aizle wrote:
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I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.
History disagrees with you, I'm afraid.
If that were to be true Khross, then every school across the nation would have exactly the same performance, which we all know is false. There still are better and worse schools out there, regardless of what legislation is out there.
Minimum standards always lead to a lowering of expectations and disincentives to perform; and, yes, we are approaching an equilibrium state in the United States. However, that equilibrium state is far lower than it needs to be or would be. You have unqualified highschool and college graduates diluting the labor force and end markets for individuals with an education. And, amazingly, even school systems that are disproportionately regulated, like California, are failing to produce adequately trained or educated graduates for older college standards. Indeed, even the CEEB has lowered its standards so much that the GRE and SAT have no valid analog to IQ and individual knowledge based merit tests. Consequently, even statistical measures of performance are problematic.

And none of that really matters when faced with the largest problem of all: stupid people breed more.

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Aizle wrote:
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Aizle wrote:
I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.
History disagrees with you, I'm afraid.


If that were to be true Khross, then every school across the nation would have exactly the same performance, which we all know is false. There still are better and worse schools out there, regardless of what legislation is out there.


There will always be outliers and individual variations, but there's no particular reason the homogenaity Khross mentioned should have already occured. He didn't give a time frame to reach equilibrium and obviously it will not happen instantaneously.

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Aizle wrote:
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Aizle wrote:
I believe it is incorrect to equate minimum standards with homogeneity. They are not the same, and one doesn't lead to the other.
History disagrees with you, I'm afraid.


If that were to be true Khross, then every school across the nation would have exactly the same performance, which we all know is false. There still are better and worse schools out there, regardless of what legislation is out there.


No, if that were true we would see a lower outcome in schools since control ebcame single point oriented (Federal), and we have.

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And none of that really matters when faced with the largest problem of all: stupid people breed more.


Are we looking for the final solution? :twisted:

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And none of that really matters when faced with the largest problem of all: stupid people breed more.


Are we looking for the final solution? :twisted:


How about the final countdown?
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The problem is that enforced homogeneity is, well, homogenous. The social and ecenomic reality of that outcome is akin to the inevitable heat-death of the universe. Where there is no disparity in wealth, performance, etc. There is no motive force to compel the movement of energy within the system. Which is to say that the system grinds to a halt, continuing only in the sense of an ever downward economic "cooling".

All of which goes back to the cultural issue of egalitarianism with respect to outcome vs. egalitarianism with respect to treatment/behavior.


The system slows down and speeds up at certain points... much like the motivation and well-being of a person. You can't reasonably expect it to always accelerate, or even stay constant. Maybe a lot of people will have to starve in the process eventually, who knows.


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Khross wrote:
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Right, but Federal Mandates eliminate competition in any real sense. The States should be competing with each other for citizens, jobs, businesses, etc. as well. The supremacy of the Federal government post Civil War ... well, that's kinda bad.

Racist!

Did I do that right?

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