The Glade 4.0

Off-color or blasphemous jokes are not insulting a religion. Hell, the joke itself wasn't even insulting to Jesus. It was a play on the words "He is risen."

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Let's take a poll and see how many people got that, as opposed to how many thought you were mocking the messiah of Christianity and thereby insulting them personally considering the preeminence of Christianity in their lives.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

This would be more akin to coming into the thread with a joke about Muhammed taking a dump. Which would not be considered a flame.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I think her comment was in poor taste, and unnecessary in general.

However, that being said, it was not a declaration of unholy war on all things Jesusy as several here are taking it as. I didn't find it particularly funny, but nor did I find it as particularly awful. Certainly not as bad as to cause this level of animosity.

People here say stupid **** all the time. Hell, I should know, I'm one of the biggest **** talkers on the board as is evidenced by my post count. Yes, what she said was stupid, yes it was inconsiderate. No, it wasn't against the board rules as written.

Besides, since when has "mod" been anything more than a community crossing guard? I know you're still bitter over the You and Taskiss thing that caused the splintering of Hellfire a while back. That's neither here nor there though. Personally, I have never held the mods to any standard above a regular poster. I don't particularly care what they do or do not enforce. I've been warned a couple of times, probably reported more than a few.

At the end of the day though, I come here for entertainment, community and sharing like interests with like-minded people. We're all fairly different, and we all have fairly different perspectives on some things. In that is our community strength. Getting overly butthurt over a perceived injustice or infraction isn't conducive to any of those things. There's no real reason for any of it IMO.

Ask yourself, "Why am I here". If you can answer that "Because I have fun hanging out here, and I see it as a positive part of my day to post"... you're probably here for the same reason I am. We're all people.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Seeing as taly has reverted back to queen ***** who doesn't care about the rules she helped create, can we get her removed as mod now? I think it would be best for the board as a whole.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Again... what rules were violated?

We keep coming back to this.

Perhaps you're right though. She's too polarizing a figure to mod effectively perhaps.

Up to Dash and Mook really. Perhaps PMs to them would work best.

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Holy shitsnacks!

False equivalence.

On the primary holiday of a particular religion, you made fun of that religion's messiah by mocking his death.

Now, I think it's ironic that that is found offensive considering his death is supposed to be the salvation of all his subsequent followers, but that irony doesn't change the fact that a very large portion of this forum appears to have been offended, insulted, or flamed by that mocking. It's merely to your convenience that you get to make up the interpretation of the rules as you go along, rather than actually following them, or following the spirit of them as explicitly stated in the rules themself.

An equivalent joke could be (don't know much about Islam) to make some sort of wisecrack about swine rising from the rock or something on the day that Muhammed ascended. I used "durka durka ****" for illustrative purposes only to refute TheRiov's spurious and fallacious logic.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

About 2-4 bullets within the Flaming Section of the Glade Posting Guidelines. Mentioned by me and explicitly laid out by Kaffis.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

You mean other than the fact that she says she does it every time she can because they "need it" and a willingness to do such as being a "good thing"?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The *only* possible infraction *I* see is the flame bait one. Even that's weak at best.

It didn't insult anyone, either directly or passive-aggressively. It didn't belittle anyone for having different viewpoints, had nothing to do with any posters directly, there were no responses in kind that I saw until the thread was moved to HF then locked.

The worst it was was in poor taste. Seriously.

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Holy shitsnacks!

And yet a number of the people here have found it that insulting. That's why moderators exist, to moderate between people who think something is a violation and people who don't. When a moderator themself is part of the problem, that only exacerbates things.



Yes, we all say stupid stuff from time to time. Yes, it was against the rules.



See my point above about Mods exacerbating problems. This is why they should be on better behavior than your everyday poster, because once they're involved in a dispute personally it creates additional problems.



Actually, you don't know ****. What I'm bitter about is the fact that Dash has let the place go to ****, doesn't care, and doesn't want to have to care. Well tough **** titty for him, because he took on the mantle of administrator. Being a passive **** does not coincide with that very well at all.



There's no reason to piss on people either, Mus. And while you and Talya and some other people may be nihilistic or nearly so, most of society actually cares about certain things. We have rules to protect community members from insults about those things they care about.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

That didn't come until what page 10 in this thread?

I'm talking about the original posts that caused the strife. Anything beyond that, in Hellfire isn't covered.

She made the comment, you tweaked her on it, she clarified, and all hell broke loose. At least, that's how I read the series of events.

I don't have a dog in this race though, I'm just trying to get people to see rationality amidst the chaos.

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You know what, you're actually correct about this. It really wasn't all THAT insulting, in and of itself. In fact, it was barely noticeable on the "insulting" scale, mainly due to it's sheer silliness.

What was insulting was the fact that, (not unlike a teenager) you had to stick your nose into the Easter thread (Bery's douchebaggery notwithstanding) and do it THERE. All this bullshit about how awful you think it is to show respect for opinions you don't like, and despite the attempt to compare yourself to Carlin (who was a **** anyhow) is really just an attempt to justify the antics we'd normally expect of a 13-year-old boy.

As someone else asked, do you poke your head into actual churches and do this sort of thing? No? Probably because sooner or later you might get your *** kicked because regardless of the merits or lack thereof of your "joke" (which was not really terribly funny, clever, or creative) sticking your nose in somewhere and disrupting things is just an ******* thing to do, and then telling people to lighten up or trying to aggrandize your own cleverness later is just a smoke screen for poor social behavior.

Really what you did was no different than the kids that occasionally ride by my wife and I in the park and yell "NICE TITS!!" at her, and just about as clever. What's hilarious to them isn't my wife's tits, it's the fact that they're juveniles on bikes and I'm an adult on foot, so I really can't do much of anything about it, much like you can be pretty much assured no one is going to actually do anything about your asshattery here on the board.

As for "not caring if you offend anyone", that seems unlikely as well. You do care. You really WANT people to be insulted, just so that you can then make a big deal out of them being insulted. In that regard, pretty much all of us are guilty of taking the bait. Then you can chortle to yourself about how you got people all riled up. It's not because we "need it" or "it's a good thing" because you're far too intelligent to think snotty comments are going to change the minds of the equally intelligent Christians. It's about satisfying your own personal issues with religion, especially Christianity.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This smacks of misconception. We have rules to protect community members from insults, yes. But not from offense. There is a difference. What I said was obviously offensive to some people. It was not an insult (either direct or passive agressive) to any of them, nor to their religion.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Amazing then that so many people took it as a direct insult.

Are all those people mental midgets? Or are you and Talya and TheRiov just that more enlightened than all of them?


I mean, Lenas clearly saw something amiss with the original thread. After all, he issued a blanket statement and then moved it. Why do that if all it is is in poor taste?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

They clearly disagreed.

Which is why we have moderators, to mediate disputes over rules. Same reason we have law or government, really.

When the moderator, or government, is part of the problem, as in this case, it gets heated, complicated, and drives people away.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Frankly, since this is Hellfire...

Yes. They may not be so naturally, but they choose to be when it comes to some things. They're ultimately no different than the Muslims screaming for the heads of a cartoonist who drew the image of Muhammed. (And, funny or not, I seem to recall many of you, like me, applauded the cartoonist.)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Arafys, things don't exist in a vacuum. What she posted on "page 10 in this thread" was just her finally declaring openly, after all this time, that she feels it is a duty to do such things.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

"Anyone who believes differently from me is damned".

"Anyone who believes different from me is an idiot".

Interesting.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What, you mean Bery didn't get banned after all?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Simply because someone is offended by something doesn't make it against the rules. Her comment was *offensive*, not *insulting*. There's a difference there.


We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I am not a mod, I cannot speak to whether it should be or not. If I were, and it were reported to me, I would not believe it to violate the rules as they are written. However, I would have PM'd Taly a smack upside the head for making my life difficult.


Which is why we have a team of mods and two admins. We used to have more until you resigned.


And what was the initial impetus for you thinking that Dash is letting the place go to ****? Right. Fair enough though, I retract that.


True, there's not. A little civility goes a long way. I restrain myself all the time on here. But again, the right to free speech doesn't include the right to not be offended. And once you go down the path of restricting speech about certain things... once everything is special, nothing is. Either everything is an OK target, or nothing is, ya dig?

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Holy shitsnacks!

And, again, spurious and fallacious logic.

The world isn't a closed community. This is. They felt there was a rules violation and wanted action. None of them advocated violence, and none of them requested your removal from the community.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

No one's screaming for your head. If all the Muslims had said is "That Cartoonist is an *******! ALLAHU ACKBAR!!" we'd never have had those conversations.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

really? you're down to name calling again?

As evidenced by the 0 reports the post generated.

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Holy shitsnacks!