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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:51 am 
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Check out this video ;)

They compare different weapons and fighting techniques and then load the data into a computer and they fight it out....I'm about 5 minutes into the video, it seems pretty cool. Kinda long though!

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/yakuza-vs-mafia/31958

Cool video if you're interested in weapons, martial art, and self defense.

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Holy commericals Batman. I had to sit through *two* 30 second Fusion razor commercials (both were the exact same commercial) and then a 45 second Verizon/Crest commercial.

All before the actual video even started.

Edit: Still watching the video. Cool so far. Not sure how I feel about Emperor Palpatine being the off-screen narrator though.

Not sure how I feel about the "final victory." I don't think there is absolutely any way a fat sicilian stuffed with cannolis is going to be able to take on a disciplined kamakaze martial artist. Mafia is like a big cannon. If it's pointed in the right direction, and hits with the first shot, it will win. Outside of that, I think the Yakuza would own them.

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At the end they compile the data they've collected and run it through 1000 iterations, not sure how many scenarios.

This of course runs solely on the effectiveness of the weapons themselves and ignores the skill and discipline of the warriors. I find that to be a fatal flaw. No matter how good the weapon, the person wielding it is also an important factor.

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Yes, that and the types of situations.

Baseball bat may be much stronger and easier to swing than a pair of nunchaku, but nunchaku are easily concealable and much faster and more confusing for an opponent. A baseball bat can be caught if you can step inside the swing...with nunchaku you wouldn't have time to step inside, if you get near the person you'll get smacked pretty hard!

I also think the Yakuza would beat the Mafia unless the Mafia ambushed them or somehow got the jump on them.

The Yakuza's weapons may be less powerful but they lend themselves to higher accuracy and precision...and guess what....you're going to die anyway. In real life, overkill doesn't give you extra points ;)

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I like how they compare and evaluate the different types of weapons even if I their conclusion process is far from ideal.

Their conclusions are based largely on the physics of the weapons, with the assumption that you can find the very best Mafia, Yakuza, whatever to wield them.

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Micheal wrote:

This of course runs solely on the effectiveness of the weapons themselves and ignores the skill and discipline of the warriors. I find that to be a fatal flaw. No matter how good the weapon, the person wielding it is also an important factor.
I don't think it does. In one of the newer ones they showed a shot of the programmer guy adding them in and it had RPG like stats for things like endurance and agility and such.

On the other hand, they give some weapons much more credit than they deserve if they're "cool".

The show shouldn't be taken at ALL seriously, but it's fun enough.


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I think the show gets a lot of things wrong. But I absolutely love watching the weapon demonstrations.


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Definitely. It's just a "my dad can beat up your dad!" type of show, but it's still pretty entertaining to see different weapons in action.

I actually found this because I was searching different weapons for self defense and I was trying to compare the nunchucks with something more common, a baseball bat. I was leaning toward a concealable melee weapon, avoiding firearms, tasers, pepper sprays and bladed weapons..looking for an easily concealable blunt weapon that is versatile and packs a serious punch. I think the nunchaku are my weapon of choice, in that regard...next would maybe be brass knuckles or an expandable baton or chain whip. All can be easily concealed on your body...whereas a baseball bat...isn't. You can't keep a baseball bat on your person, you'd look completely stupid walking into a bar carrying a baseball bat "just in case" a bar fight broke out. Also, nunchaku can be used for grappling, controlling and disarming more dangerous weapons like knives, guns, tasers, etc. Also, even though the bat does pack a harder punch, one hit to the head from either the bat or nunchaku and you will be knocked out, if not worse. I think the nunchaku are really really misunderstood and a lot of people don't understand how useful they can be in a fight. Too many people think the moves are just "flashy" and useless when really they're meant to distract, confuse and intimidate. These people are idiots. I mean, really...if a fight broke out and I busted out a pair of nunchucks with extra long chain and started doing my Bruce Lee impression...people will either laugh (which gives me the advantage of being severely underestimated) or their jaws will drop in awe and will be afraid to come close to me.

...and comparing a sawed off shotgun to a pistol is like comparing an M1 Tank with a motorcycle. They're not similar weapons at all.

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Those pro-mafia guys scare me. Especially the older one. They're a little too sexually aroused by anything mafia.

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Most of their experts seem to be that way.

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It's Spike TV, guys :lol:

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Ya know, I'm really ambivalent about this show. I love the concept, but never quite agree with their conclusions. Much less the scenarios - I mean, Alexander vs. Attilla? Neither was known as a bad-ass warrior, really - just an exemplary general, commander of troops. That doesn't necessarily translate into mano-a-mano fighting.

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Nevandal wrote:
It's Spike TV, guys :lol:


[youtube]WIAeMOPMsY4[/youtube]

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I always tend to wonder about men who go too overboard with the tough macho guy thing. They always look so small and insecure. And sometimes afraid to admit something.

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I love that show. Haven't caught anything of the second season but saw all of season 1.

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I have a quibble with the nunchuk vs baseball bat comparison. They scored the edge to the baseball bat because of it's potential damage. The problem is its an all or nothing swing--and it has to be set up for max effectiveness. Plus, it telegraphs; there's no subtlety in the attack. The nunchuk is far more fluid. And while it doesn't hit as hard, it hits more often, with greater precision.

The first thing I thought of for a baseball bat vs nunchuk fight was the nunchuk guy taking out the baseball bat guy's forearm, or ducking under the baseball guy's swing and popping the mafia guy's knee on the way past him.

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Show...kills me...ugh...sooooo baaaad.

I am totally with colphax. No ****** the nunchaku lost to the bat. They aren't even in the same category. They showed an actual sword the whole time, and it never entered into the equation. I assure you the blade was closer fit to the bat, and it would have definitely edged the bat out. Ugh.

I watched the Ming v Musketeer recently and my head nearly exploded.

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I think the fact that the nunchaku lost to the bat proves the nunchaku would win...because it's misunderstood, deceptive and not many people are skilled enough to handle them.


The Samurai vs Viking show was a complete joke.

The compared a Katana with a Great Axe.

And a Naginata with a Long Sword.


It should've been Naginata vs Great Axe, and Katana vs Long Sword.

Idiots.

And they should do the same tests with the weapons they're comparing.

There are so many things wrong with the way they compare the weapons it's ridiculous.


It's like if I pitted a Geo Metro against a Ferrari. The Geo Metro will be tested in it's efficiency to drive to the supermarket and back. The Ferrari will be driven off of a cliff. Lets see which car wins.

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The Samurai vs Viking show was a complete joke.

The compared a Katana with a Great Axe.

And a Naginata with a Long Sword.


My guess is that they also failed to use a Japanese warrior from the same period, as well. Comparing a later period Japanese warrior with a viking is seriously stupid. By the 1600's, the Samurai has already adopted armor and techniques from the Europeans that came to the Island. There's a solid argument to be made, for example, that Musashi's two sword technique was based on his experiences watching Portuguese sailors at rapier and dagger play.


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It should've been Naginata vs Great Axe, and Katana vs Long Sword.

Idiots.

And they should do the same tests with the weapons they're comparing.


That drives me batty, as well.

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There are so many things wrong with the way they compare the weapons it's ridiculous.


The ultimate annoyance is how much weight they give to the weapon over the warrior. I assure you that I can perform every single cut with a sharp longsword that I could do with a Katana. In the end, it's about technique and focus, and not about the weapon (given a cetain base level of quality). The Japanese did not have a corner on the market when it came to quality blade construction over the Europeans. And the experts they bring on? UGH. Have a reasonable discussion and put the **** cultural ego aside, gentlemen.

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