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The standard I use to determine if the underlying premise behind an attack on the president is racist is petty simple. If the people making the attack would not have reasonably done so to a white president doing similar things, then my guess is that the attack is racist.

Ahhh, so you're back to reading minds again, huh?

Quick! What number am I thinking about right now?

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Here's the letter that the Chairman of the Tea Party Express tossed out there in response -

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Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’.

The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person


Nope. No racial animus there. Move along.

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Wait what?

Can you source that please?

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Mark Williams is a sensationalist idiot, and possibly a racist, but he is certainly not representative of a national movement, assembled from a wide range of individualists, who have in common only a desire to limit the size and scope of government. Mr. Williams has the right to his own stupid opinions, and the right to express himself as he sees fit (pesky first amendment), but he doesn't speak for me, or any other small government conservatives that I know, and he certainly doesn't speak for anyone on this board.

Quit calling us racists.

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Mark Williams is a sensationalist idiot, and possibly a racist, but he is certainly not representative of a national movement, assembled from a wide range of individualists, who have in common only a desire to limit the size and scope of government. Mr. Williams has the right to his own stupid opinions, and the right to express himself as he sees fit (pesky first amendment), but he doesn't speak for me, or any other small government conservatives that I know, and he certainly doesn't speak for anyone on this board.

Quit calling us racists.


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So, the chairman of the Tea Party express isn't a national voice in the Tea Party movement? Just the guy that drives the bus or something?

Yeah. Right.

Sorry, not buying it. He is one of many voices - voices I have experienced in person - that holds racist views and supports the Tea Party movement. Amazing how when people actually get a hold of the rhetoric this movement thrives on, suddenly the Tea Party is trying to bury them all in metaphorical shallow graves.

They didn't have a problem with him when he organized the Tea Party express. They loved the **** out of that guy. It's not like he suddenly became a racist. He's been a racist the whole time.

What if the Tea Party was Black?

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I suppose that makes all supporters of Barak Obama rabid anti-semites, since Malik Shabazz is?

You absolutely have to stop this nonsense of attributing the worst behaviors of one person to an entire group of people who are only bound together by the singular desire to have government limited in size and scope.

Stop calling me a racist.

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Twice I've been to tea party events and at both there were black members and played rap about conservative issues at each (along with mostly rock and some country). Different people danced to each but they all loved all the messages.

Monte once again you don't know what you are talking about and you're simply parroting what your betters have instructed you to parrot.

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I'm seriously doubting the dedication of the average Tea Partier to "smaller government." They have their own pet projects. If they ran the country, we'd probably lose Medicare, but the military would end up with all that money. We'd also probably axe the Dept of Education and massively cut HHS, but they would then be putting hundreds of billions towards border security and the INS instead.


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I am afraid of that with some of them to Xeq. At least they would have to face their own hypocrisy from the others.

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I'm seriously doubting the dedication of the average Tea Partier to "smaller government." They have their own pet projects. If they ran the country, we'd probably lose Medicare, but the military would end up with all that money. We'd also probably axe the Dept of Education and massively cut HHS, but they would then be putting hundreds of billions towards border security and the INS instead.



You mean the parts they are supposed to be doing, constituionally, like national defense and securing the borders....

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I suppose that makes all supporters of Barak Obama rabid anti-semites, since Malik Shabazz is?


Of course not. But liberals aren't running around with anti semetic signs at rallies, or carrying loaded assault rifles into protests.

I haven't once called you a racist Rynar. If you feel like you can be a member of the Tea Party while simultaneously ignoring the clear racist animus that drives the base of the movement, more power to you. But you can't just cast aside major Tea Party leaders as bad apples when they show their stripes.

The movement is clear and visceral reaction to the election of a black, liberal President. The conspiracy theories the Tea Party embraces are part and parcel to their racial bias (see signs that read things like "go back to Kenya" that seem to show up frequently at the protests).

The Tea Party is furiously attacking anyone and everyone who points out the emperor's new clothes. The movement, if it wants to become something more mainstream, needs to not only come out against any and all racism at their rallies, but must apologize for the racism it has tolerated or tried to simply sweep under the rug.

The white supremacist movement in this country is interwoven with the Tea Party. Financial support pours in from the crazed soverign citizen movement, from the militia movement, and those groups frequently associate with white supremacy groups as well. Ron Paul and Rand Paul, two darlings of the Tea Party movement, have both taken donations from white supremacist groups and individuals, and they have both enjoyed the endorsement of such groups. Ron, at least, has allowed such groups to post his writings on white power websites like stormfront (no, I will not give them hits by posting a link. feel free to look it up yourself).

The movement has it's roots steeped deeply in racism and bigotry. Anti-gay, anti-black, anti-Mexican, anti-liberal - it's all there, right in the open. Every sign that depicts the President as a witch doctor. Every single person who claims he's a muslim. Every person who claims he was born in Kenya - every one of those things finds it's origin in the president's race.

Now, you may not feel that way. But that doesn't change the fact that the movement find's it's core movers and shakers among the most disgusting racists left over from the era that people like Rand Paul pine for - when the lunch counters were segregated and the government's job was to enforce that segregation.

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Xequecal wrote:
I'm seriously doubting the dedication of the average Tea Partier to "smaller government." They have their own pet projects. If they ran the country, we'd probably lose Medicare, but the military would end up with all that money. We'd also probably axe the Dept of Education and massively cut HHS, but they would then be putting hundreds of billions towards border security and the INS instead.



Have you been reading Reason lately?

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But you can't just cast aside major Tea Party leaders as bad apples when they show their stripes.


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When the opposition does something you don't like, castigate all of them for the actions of individuals; when your side does something you don't like, reinforce that it was an individual acting alone.

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We all remember how good the right was when it came to guilt by association and the Reverend Wright, or William Ayers, right?

yeah. I thought so. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways, folks. If you were happy enough to talk about how Obama was a terrorist sympathizer and an America hater because of his associations with those men, then it's a bit disingenuous for you guys to now rankle at having the same standards applied to you in this situation.

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If the Tea party held a fund raiser or launched its caimpagin at a Klan headquarters you might have a point....might.


And again where is your proof of racism?

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We all remember how good the right was when it came to guilt by association and the Reverend Wright, or William Ayers, right?

yeah. I thought so. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways, folks. If you were happy enough to talk about how Obama was a terrorist sympathizer and an America hater because of his associations with those men, then it's a bit disingenuous for you guys to now rankle at having the same standards applied to you in this situation.


Your comparison might be apt, if the average Tea Party demonstrator had sat for years and brought their family to a church run by Mark Williams, or if they had their publishings ghost written by him.

My comparison to Shabazz is spot on. You are clutching at straws.

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What do you mean, where is my proof? The Chairman of the Tea Party Express posted that hideously racist letter I quoted above. There are dozens of examples of racist signs and messages at Tea Parties. I have my own experience with the protests here in San Antonio - people (not speakers, the activists on the ground) continually using racist and bigoted language in their conversations.

The animus is pretty clear. It runs rampant through the protests.

http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/upload ... y_sign.jpg

http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress.co ... willis.jpg

http://chattahbox.com/images/2010/01/te ... roblem.jpg

http://www.plunderbund.com/wp-content/u ... yspend.jpg

http://btx3.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/tea-bagger.jpg

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/theclo ... native.jpg

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uplo ... _party.jpg

http://www.newyorkslime.com/tea-party-r ... -kenya.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadget ... _large.jpg

http://del1357.files.wordpress.com/2009 ... rty_05.jpg

That last one is amusing. They make him extra black.

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You are right. I concede my points. A handful of racist signage (a tactic many large and vocal leftist groups have publicly said they would be using to discredit the small government movement) and other ancedotal happenings are clearly representitive of a group of millions of individualists.

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If the Tea party is so racist, why did the crash the tea party group need to plant themselves in? Shouldn't they just have gone in and video taped? And given the existence of that group and others, how can you be sure any tea party racist is not liberal group plant? Perhaps you got hoodwinked?

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I think Monte is a conservative plant.

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I think Monte is a conservative plant.

Most plants have higher IQ's. Heck, there's this ficus I know that can out-think him every day of the week and twice on the weekends!

I gotta admit, there are a few cabbages that he could give a run for their money...

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Maybe he's more of a pitcher plant.

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And yet Monty still can't find the time to get his panties in a twist about the New Black Panthers who want to kill cops, white people and white babies.

This is why Monty is a racist. He wants to see white people killed by black people.

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