Stathol wrote:
Hmmm....
The Fourth Amendment wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where the idea comes from that homes have some kind of special status not confered upon other personal property, but it certainly doesn't come from the 4th Amendment. It makes no distinction between the various kinds of personal property.
It somes from the fact that the courts have so ruled. What is reasonable for any one of those highly general categories above is not necessarily reasonable for any other. More to the point, looking into your car through a window is not a search any more than seeing you walk down the street or through a window to your home that has been left open.
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I don't necessarily have any problems with "in plain sight" doctrine in general. However, with respect to cars, I submit that passing a law which prohibits window tinting that would obscure the interior of the car from plain sight is no different than passing a law which requires that people's homes be made of glass so that police will be able to see inside without a warrant.
That's really quite silly. Aside from the fact that most laws do allow some level of tint, no one is asking that the entire car be made of glass. A law prohibiting tint on car windows is of far greater practical value than one banning it on houses because of the nature of cars and traffic stops. and in any case a law requiring either houses or cars to be made of glass would be impossible as a practical matter. There is a balance to be achieved in that regard, and the failure of the law to reduce itself to absurdity does not mean it's being somehow inconsistent.
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The argument that they need to be able to see if someone inside the vehicle is about to take violent action against them is disingenuous at best. The same conditions would apply when police approach homes and buildings, and yet we don't prohibit fully tinted/reflective windows on buildings and homes, nor require that every room of the house be plainly visible from the exterior. That justification is based on the unsupportable premise that a vehicle, as a private property, somehow has less status under the fourth amendment than a home.
You're basing this on your assertion that "reasonable" for homes is necessarily at the same level as "reasonable" for other things, which is not the case. Furthermore, you know perfectly well that the constrution of a building is different from that of a car. A car necessarily must have more space devoted to windows for safe operation. It is also operated on the public streets. If you're walking down the street and are seen by a polcie officer he hasn't somehow violated your right to security in your person by viewing you. There is nothing disingenuous or unsupportable about it; you're out in public and your operation of the vehicle in and of itself is a hazard to others in ways a home is not, necessitating traffic laws. By choosing to be out on the public street you are surrendering much of your privacy voluntarily, and should not get some special protection because you're in a car that a man on a horse, bike, or on foot doesn't. No one is talking about letting the police go in your trunk or glove compartment without a warrant.
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Further, I submit that any law requiring that personal property be made involuntarily open to plain sight is functionally equivalent to a warrantless search.
This really has nothing to do with anything.