The Glade 4.0

More likely, his point was that maybe our notion that teenagers can't handle combined bathrooms and locker rooms may have something to do with our culture, and not be strictly a necessity.

Since obviously people can handle being unisex pools ok, even though it was once (and is still in some cultural groups) considered taboo.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Well, to keep the discussion in line with the OP... what is being proposed is considerably beyond this.

I don't see how it does. Failing to please someone or make them comfortable isn't an injustice at all. An injustice is when you intentionally go out of your way to harm them, make them more uncomfortable than necessary, humiliate them, etc, not when those things happen as a result of equal treatment in the first place. We should try to please and make comfortable as many people as we reasonably can, but we can't please everyone.



Because it will make far more people uncomfortable. If these people want to use the facilities they prefer, they should wait until such time as they get medical correction to make that appropriate for them. If it's not serious enough to require that, or they feel that option isn't appropriate for them, they should deal with the hand they're dealt.



It's far more than "a few", the vast majority of people are very uncomfortable at the idea of having to share such facilities with the opposite sex. If that discomfort were not the prevailing feeling, we'd already have integrated facilities. I don't, in any case see the "few" uncomfortable people being any "fewer" than this vague group of people with gender issues, and so I don't see any reason to spend any special effort on their feelings.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Technically, however, you are not sharing the facility with someone of the opposite sex.

If I have XY chromosomes, I should be able to use the men's bathroom and play on male sports teams- it's my 'right'.

If I have an XX chromosome, I should be able to play on female sports teams and use the women's bathroom.

Is a male student asked to no longer use the men's restroom if he wears drag?

This is not really a case of equal treatment. We are taking a subset of people and telling them they cannot act the same way as others of their biological gender due to the way they look.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Just thought I'd throw this in in case anyone was getting the wrong idea:

I have no hugely vested personal interest in this, it's just a discussion I've been interested in having for a while, and I like feeling out peoples viewpoints. Admittedly in a slightly argumentative fashion.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

How do you effectively tell these people apart from the "old fashioned perverts" who will inevitably try to subvert this law to be peepers.

I'm just not sure how "reasonably" they can be accomodated.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

You're begging the question. It isn't the presence of the chromasomes that makes you a male for social purposes; it's your external genetalia that determine what sex you are for that purpose. People aren't made uncomfortable by chromosomes; they're made uncomfortable by genetalia. You should not be able to use the bathroom or play on sports teams that match your chromasomes; you should play on those that match your genitals. That's what causes social issues, and really, it's the sexual equipment of everyone else that makes you want to be in that bathroom or on that team, not their invisible chromosomes.



No, he should be asked not to use the women's room. Very few women want to share the restroom with a man in drag, or with a male that wants to become female. It doesn't matter if he just likes wearing panties or actually ahs a medical problem with his gender identification; he shouldn't be treated as a female for those purposes unless he gets himself altered.



No, we're telling them they must act the same way as everyone else who expresses the gender they express. It is equal treatment. They're trying to get special treatment in regard to social issues based on an internal, invisible medical problem - one that is not even debilitating in nature.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."