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Darn Racist Teabaggers!

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The Bush Adminstration did make the initial choice to not prosecute. Were they being racist or was there some conspiracy then? If there isn't one under the Bush administration, why are you accusing the Obama administration of some nefarious plot? Is it, perhaps, because Obama and Holder are black (I ask because the sources that have blown this story out of proportion have been screaming racism to the hills)? And if so, why should that have anything to do with it?

In other words, if the Bush administration (white president, white AG) didn't see any need to prosecute, and if the Republican vice chairwoman of the US Comission on Civil Rights said it was "Overheated rhetoric filled with insinuations and unsubstantiated charges", then when is it suddenly a scandal?



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Dash,

is that pwnt by the people you are trying to defend?

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Why would anyone defend these racist shitbags?

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I want to get something straight -

Several conservative activists bring loaded assault rifles to peaceful protests. This is seen as an act of liberty. This protest includes violent, hateful language.

A black man brings a billy club to a polling place, and uses violent hateful language.

One of these is seen as intimidation. The other is seen as liberty. What, pray tell, is the differentiating factor? (Other than the fact that an assault rifle is a significantly more intimidating weapon than a billy club). Both of these examples are of folks who did not break the law. Remember, cops were called to the polling place, and no arrests were made. No voters complained of intimidation, only poll watchers, and poll watchers are just party loyalists.

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That's quite a shift from what you said earlier. Do you still contend it was the Bush administration that dropped the charges?

As for the apples to oranges comparison you're trying to make, you know you're reaching with that ;)

The bottom line is, this man was clearly engaged in a textbook case of voter intimidation. Would have been convicted of such by default, but was protected by the Obama administration. We have the leader of his organization admitting to as much on video.

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Intimidating is an act, its not a piece of equipment.

Neither the guns nor the club intimidate.

The person does, and can suggest the usage of a tool as an aid.

Since one was using violent and hateful language at a polling place (illegal) and the others were being peaceful and respectful - yes there is a difference. Your own choice of language in fact highlights this difference.

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The difference is: the first is engaging in democracy, the second is obstructing it.

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Monte wrote:
A black manracist shitbag brings a billy club to a polling place, and uses violent hateful language.


Fixed it for ya.

The tea party protests aren't racist. You *think* they are. but they're not. Can you show me a video of a group of protesters being racist shitbags? Sayin, Let's kill all the niggers, and lets see how they feel when we get a white man back in charge?

I don't think you can.

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Monte wrote:
I want to get something straight -

Several conservative activists bring loaded assault rifles to peaceful protests. This is seen as an act of liberty. This protest includes violent, hateful language.

A black man brings a billy club to a polling place, and uses violent hateful language.

One of these is seen as intimidation. The other is seen as liberty. What, pray tell, is the differentiating factor? (Other than the fact that an assault rifle is a significantly more intimidating weapon than a billy club). Both of these examples are of folks who did not break the law. Remember, cops were called to the polling place, and no arrests were made. No voters complained of intimidation, only poll watchers, and poll watchers are just party loyalists.


By that logic, a large (or strong, or trained) person capable of inflicting great physical harm to those around him should not be allowed at these protests, voting demonstrations etc.

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Monte wrote:
I want to get something straight -

Several conservative activists bring loaded assault rifles to peaceful protests. This is seen as an act of liberty. This protest includes violent, hateful language.

A black man brings a billy club to a polling place, and uses violent hateful language.

One of these is seen as intimidation. The other is seen as liberty. What, pray tell, is the differentiating factor? (Other than the fact that an assault rifle is a significantly more intimidating weapon than a billy club). Both of these examples are of folks who did not break the law. Remember, cops were called to the polling place, and no arrests were made. No voters complained of intimidation, only poll watchers, and poll watchers are just party loyalists.


You mean besides the fact that people were VOTING at one of them? You don't think the fact that one took place at a polling place (a place where everyone should be able to cast their vote without having any kind of protest directed at them) and the other was at a protest (a place for, you know, protesting) is significant?

No of course not. You just want them to be equivalent, so you just ignore factors like that.

Then of course there's the fact that whatever happened at the protest, it wasn't directed at anyone physically present, as opposed to the idiots at the polling place who threatened people physically present.

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Monte wrote:
Several conservative activists bring loaded assault rifles to peaceful protests. This is seen as an act of liberty. This protest includes violent, hateful language.

A black man brings a billy club to a polling place, and uses violent hateful language.

What, pray tell, is the differentiating factor?
One is someone exercising a constitutional right, the other an attempt to suppress a constitutional right by intimidation.

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I recognize one similarity:
They were both black men.

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